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Why Euros over Fabers?

Discussion in 'DIR Diving' started by Zubar, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. Zubar

    Zubar Active Member
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    So whilst lusting over shiny stuff, and assessing my cylinder collection, I realise my twinsets are less that Heaute Coture. One white Fabers with narrow bands and Apeks manifold (ok thats a bit of bling), the other yellow, narrow bands and some old manifold.

    Anyhoo, my main question is, why is it that Euros are favoured by gooists/dir types? As far as I know they are longer and heavier. For me this seems bad, as I am both short and weak. But they seem to be De rigueur, so I need know if there is a reason for this.

    As it's nearly Friday (and the weekend, oh sweet weekend), please advise.

    C
     
  2. Sidemount_Stu

    Sidemount_Stu Sidemount & Sane!
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    I was under the impression that it's to do with the weight distribution, as you say being that little bit longer, suits average size bodies better weight distribution and ultimately aids trim......

    but i could be talking utter ball-axe....
     
  3. Colliwobbles

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    Speaking in my limited experience and owning both fabers and euros I found that the extra bit of length, along with the weight distribution on the euros helped me trim out better than the fabers (which I now never use as a result).
    They just seem to be more comfortable
     
  4. Wibble

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    For me... Flat bottoms, taller, white and used by all the others :sheep:

    My other tins are Fabers. Yellow...
     
  5. jb2cool

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    I think Fabers can be a little neck-heavy. Euro style sylinders are longer and shift the weight distribution downwards. Also slightly heavier so reduce the amount of weight you need to carry. If you can trim out Fabers however then there is no real driver to switch, it's just personal preference.
     
  6. hawk

    hawk Doing It Rong
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    For me, the extra length of euros helped me trim out better in BM (makes no difference in SM). I can't say I noticed any weight difference over Fabers.

    And the added benefit of round bottomed euros (which is what all the cool kids have) is that they make your rig look like a jet pack :)
     
  7. NickPicks

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    I was also wondering this. What we need is for Garf to get over the red wine hangover and write a blog posting. ;)
     
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  8. Zubar

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    Lol, he's just grumpy coz he hadn't planned enough reserve. Didn't do his min wine calcs ;)

    He told me where you put the weight has little importance compared to body position.
     
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  9. Gareth Burrows

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    Good morning :)
     
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  10. Gareth Burrows

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    1. Euros are definitely heavier than Fabers to the tune of 1 or even 2 KG per cylinder, which obviously means more weight distributed evenly across your back than on weight belts etc.
    2. Euros are also longer which means the weight is further distribute.
    3. Most wings are designed with AL80s in mind, which are the same length as Euros, not fabers.
    4. The flat bottom business is nice for boats but a fine detail.
    5. The big difference is the buoyancy characteristics. Fabers tend to become neck heavy as they empty, which means you need to adjust your trim position slightly to compensate throughout the dive. This isn't a problem ,and most people do it without thinking, but for some people it means that at the end of the dive they are struggling to remain stable.

    Weight distribution is about making life easy. Once you understand trim and balance, you can get flat and comfortable in pretty much anything, regardless of where the weight is. However, all of this fine tuning just makes this process a little easier.
     
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  11. Zubar

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    Thanks Garf, now we have the official answer!

    I see what you mean about the length and the wing. I have to be careful not to damage the bottom of the wing.

    I'm worried that if I ever changed to euros the extra weight would be unmanageable for me. (I know FTFU) but I have to consider this.

    Anyway my Fabers are in test and fine so not going to be replaced anytime soon.

    I may ditch the spare set once I use the mix in them.
    Christ may still not be used before @furryman goes to Scapa. Want some 21/35 to take up?!
     
  12. Wibble

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    Aren't y'all doing a deep mid-week dive sometime next year?
     
  13. minus273degrees

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    @Zubar whats ya spare set?
     
  14. hawk

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    You are only looking at a couple of kgs? A swap from a steel to ali BP would even that out.

    Unless you are already diving with an ali BP and no weight?
     
  15. Wibble

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    Makes a difference when you're heaving them up into a car boot though. The 'flat' bottoms help a bit though as you've the dent to hold on to when you lift them.
     
  16. hawk

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    Good point - I hadn't thought of that.
     
  17. Doomanic

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    If you dived SM you'd only have to lift one at a time...[/fad-following SM weenie] :p

    This obviously a joke, before anyone gets too butt-hurt.
     
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  18. Zubar

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    this.

    On my back it's all no problem.
     
  19. Zubar

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    Faber twin 12L, standard bands, not sure what manifold, in yellow.

    They are currently full of mix which I'd really like to use first!
     
  20. Doomanic

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    How long have you had them now?
     

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