Hi all, A buddy of mine (zulu) and I were doing some simulated OOA recently. He has a hog loop setup with a long primary which he donates. I thought it worked really well, when donating his primary as we had far more space to deal with the OOA situation. When it came time for me to donate from my regular setup, my 90cm octo hose was really short and it was quite difficult to deal with the ascent while my buddy was struggling to hang onto the octo with his mouth. In a real panic OOA situation I think it could be disasterous. So I am seriously thinking of switching to a hog loop despite BSAC banning it during training. What does everyone else think? loiphin.