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Qualified to what depth AOW?

Discussion in 'New to Scuba Diving' started by pitdiver, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Dave Whitlow

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    Yeah, the guys in the local dive club teach neutral buoyancy from day one and it becomes the expectation for all diving skills, a bit like real-life diving, and doesn't make training some damaged form of diving where good practice is discarded to facilitate poor instruction.
     
  2. Wibble

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    By complete coincidence, "kneeling on the bottom" came up today whilst a bunch of us were chatting at a PADI LDS -- first time for a long time since I last dived with them.

    Apparently there's one skill in the DiveMASTER course that needs to be done whilst on the bottom: the BCD removal. It's supposedly simulating removing the BCD if it were caught or broken o a wreck or suchlike.

    Sod's law had it that I happened to stumble across them just at that point and just ass-u-me-d that all skills were done like this. Aparrently not. As I'm never going to do a DM, I'll never know for sure.

    Main point stands though: there's good DMs and bad DMs often those who've little experience of real diving.
     
  3. 60plus

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    BCD remove and replace has to be done for PADI OW. This has to be done underwater usually at the bottom but PADI are reviewing this with a view to stipulating that it has to be done mid water in neutral buoyancy conditions. For PADI OW you also have to be able to put your BCD on at the surface. I twice had the misfortune to have my final OW exercises disrupted by rough sea conditions (Instructors deemed it too rough) so before my next attempt I booked some pool sessions for practice. I was determined that unless the sea conditions were totally undriveable I was going to complete my OW. One of my pool sessions was with BASAC who do not have to do the BCD exercise. I told my buddy (A BSAC instructor) that no matter how much difficulty I appeared to be in just let me sort it out. In the pool I would normally have 2 kg in the BCD and 2 kg on my belt. The BSAC buddy assured me 2 kg in the BCD would be enough, and as a guest of the club I did not want to argue. Got in the pool and could not descend. My belt was back in changing room so to save time an extra 2 kg was put in the BCD. Kneeled on the bottom but upon removing the BCD and putting it in front of me I floated up feet first, BCD on the bottom, my fins at the surface. I still had the reg in my mouth and hands on BCD. I took a while to figure out what I was going to do. I pulled the BCD close to my chest then rolled onto my back so it was above me. I then put my right arm across my chest and into the right shoulder strap. I then spun my body under the BCD feeding my right arm fully into the BCD whilst getting my left arm in also. I then managed to do up all the straps and get my BCD properly adjusted despite being all ways up. I think my antics caused quite a bit of amusement to the BSAC onlookers.
    Also for PADI OW you have to remove and refit weight belt, not just do an emergency weight drop. Although I initially found these exercises a bit daunting I now find I can do them very easily and it has given me a lot of confidence in the water.
     
  4. barrygoss

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    Having just seen a full BCD remove and replace on FB through a PADI shop in Gilli, I think 60plus maybe your out of date time...

    B

    Oh and the fact you didn’t realise putting all the lead in the jacket, then taking the jacket off and wondering why you floated, would make me laugh as well.

    You can’t cure stupid. Troll or not.
     
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  5. pitdiver

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    Some time back at the start of this thread I raised the question "To what depth is Mrs PD certified to dive to as she completed her AOW back in 2003.

    During some recent discussions about diving this subject came up again. So I decided to contact PADI . This is the answer I got
    "The PADI AOWD course certifies the diver to dive to the maximum depth of 30 meters. If someone wants to dive to 40 meters which is the maximum depth that all recreational divers are trained to dive, he / she needs to enrol to a PADI Deep Dive Specialty course"
    I emailed back pointing out the facts about Mrs PD. I await a further response.

    Rob H
     
  6. Wibble

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    But... It's 17 years since she did the course, so it would be prudent to dive to where you're comfortable and not push it.

    Memories of my AOW "deep" speciality. Shakes head; really wasn't much at all -- and was in Spain, so clear, warm water. Speaking to an instructor at my local dive shop where she went through the genuine deep course she runs at NDAC. 40m means 40m (OK 39m). She'd do the whole narcosis thing running tests on the bottom and also showing how quickly the gas is consumed.

    The one thing I've learned over the years is diving's a progressive thing. When we ever get back into the water I'm definitely going for a shallower 30m get-my-act-together-dive before returning to greater depths.

    Struth, even a dip in Wraysbury seems a good thing at the moment. All my tins are going out of test in the garage!
     
  7. pitdiver

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    Wibbs she and I have absolutely no intention of diving to 30 metres let alone 40. 20 will probably be our absolute max. Anyway I have received what appears to be the definitive answer from PADI

    The PADI AOWD maximum depth standard, for the Advanced Core Deep Dive (today we call it Adventure Dive) changed on 1st of July 1998, to 30 meters. Please check page two of the attached training bulletin. The reason for that was to maintain the consistency between the AOWD Program and the recommended depth of the first dive of the PADI Deep Diver Specialty.
     
  8. Wibble

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    :)

    So where will your dive be? (Just expanding given that the only diving we can do nowadays is watching it on youtube or some of our own diving videos)

    I'm really hoping that the lockdown will be eased and with a bit of luck the dive boats will be able to go out again. Some changes required, such as bringing your own drink, but hopefully we'll be able to get out. Will definitely book up for another Scapa trip as soon as I can. Love it up there. Will arrange to stay longer next time and do some walking around Hoy.
     
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    I remember diving.... It is was something I used to enjoy.....

    Whilst I might give Chesil a try, I suspect checking the local scallop infestation (to restock the freezer) is the most likely warm up dive. Before venturing deeper I'm wondering if it will be worth confirming the readiness of the chambers (in case medical O2 supplies are an issue).
    It is hard to say what the future UK dive scene will be like as I suspect some distancing will continue for quite some time and dive boats aren't the best places to maintain distance. No point speculating as what will be will be ...
    There's a few other bits of the Orkneys worth a visit, and can be covered in a day of driving; Skara Brae, Ring of Brodgar, Italian Chapel and, of course, the Highland Park Distillery tour.
     
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  10. John F

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    I did my AOW in 2000 and it was definitely 30M then
     
  11. Wibble

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    One of the odd things now is I'm kind of enjoying nature a bit more. I live in rural Sussex which is really nice -- when you bother to go out and look at it!

    Today's walk was circa 5 miles through the woods which are looking stunning with all the bluebells now in bloom; through fields full of lambs frolicking; all the greenery looking green; all the swamps now pretty much dried up. In short beautiful.
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    Getting more keen on photography too. Would love to go to Hoy (or other suchlike deserted places) to try my hand at photographing the Attenbourough stuff; puffins and the like.
     
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    Regarding the boats, etc., I'm hoping that common sense will prevail. Several things, not least that all divers *really* don't want a lung infection, so will probably take a lot more care to keep out of the way. Agreed that anyone can catch it, so there's no certainty. However, keeping outside of the boat more would not exactly be good for airborne viri (plural of virusese?) which should just bugger off overboard.

    For what it's worth, the marinas have all adopted the give us your money and feck off strategy with their "customers". Took my mooring fees and told me that I couldn't get access to my boat if I wanted to do some work on her. Sailing is just about as solitary a passtime as you can get and ticks all the social isolation boxes, more so than diving even. Too busy with work at the moment to argue. But will be taking a couple of weeks of soon to do a load of varnishing and other work on her. No, she didn't sell, so keeping her for now as it'll be a holiday from home.
     
  13. pitdiver

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    Wibbs, we are not planning diving anywhere at the moment as we are trying to sell two houses and move home. Oop North as far as we are concerned. The matter of AOW depth came up in one of a number of conversation we were having about diving as we often do now we are both " Confined to Barracks"
    Still hoping to get up to Orkney this forthcoming June though.
     

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