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got scuba diver , now want to complete OW , best options??

Discussion in 'New to Scuba Diving' started by CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT, Mar 7, 2017.

  1. CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT

    CHRISTOPHER ELLIOTT New Member

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    So me and the wife have now both got the scuba diver qualification, but we both want to progress onto open water , but a little confused by which means we can should or could take!
    We live in Southampton and there a few training suppliers, shops individuals etc.. but no one specifically advertises the price , or duration they think is needed to complete the open water .
    Do I contact all the local diving schools and clubs , or search for dive masters that can provide the additional training, with/with out equipment? Also there are a few BSAC clubs in there area, does a scuba diver qualification fit in with their training scheme , or do I need to complete the open water first then join a BSAC club?
    Thanks for the help
    Chris
    :)
     
  2. jb2cool

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    I think you can pretty much ignore your Scuba Diver cert and start from scratch again, you can so PADI and do the Open Water Diver course (Andark https://andark.co.uk/ would be a good place to look for this) or you can go the club route and join a BSAC club and do the Ocean Diver course. Which you do depends on what you like. PADI is probably cheaper and quicker but BSAC will likely be more thorough but take longer.

    @Tel is part of a club down there, you'd probably do well talking to him and see what his club are like.
     
  3. Tel

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    My ears are burning :)

    IMO I'd just go straight to Andark.
    I would as JB says ignore the Scuba Diver course and start again, but i'd stick with PADI purely because of the terminology.
    Once you've done PADI OW you can then carry on with PADI or join a BSAC club no problem.

    Andark have a pool with an open water lake behind so most can be done locally and if you want deeper stuff its off to Vobster.
    They'll train you in drysuits as well.

    My club? Well it's a Uni club and while we do have a few non-students we've just taken on another 15 students, so not
    open to anybody at the moment, well not unless you are a BSAC Instructor :)

    Got loads of other clubs around though, PM me for warts and all info :p
     
  4. Wibble

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    Did you mean PADI is more expensive but quicker; BSAC is cheaper but takes longer?
     
  5. Doomanic

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    Not necessarily. Southsea Sub Aqua charge £315 for OD, plus BSAC membership.
     
  6. clique

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    East Cheshire Sub Aqua are charging £295 for OD. and surprisingly looking at my old university club £225 for the course, £70 for the student union membership then the bsac fees on top.

    Learning through BSAC certainly isn't as cheap as it used to be!
     
  7. Dave Whitlow

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    I think that depends on the club and how they recover costs.

    The course pack is only £40 and beyond that you covering costs of delivering the training. Those costs are significant and some clubs take them at the club level (higher membership fees, lower training costs) whilst others seek to recover them from the students (lower membership fees, expensive training).

    Ocean Diver requires a number of pool sessions (pool time costs), a number of classroom sessions (rooms may not be free) and a series of open water dives (travel, admission, gas and food are not free) and the equipment needs buying, maintaining and replacing.
     
  8. Tel

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    To give a comparison we are £150 for the year £40 for the pack and +£80 for the open water element that includes
    entries and transport to site etc. So that's £270.

    However :) The next course (Sport Diver) is £20 for the pack and + £120 for the dives/transport, can easily
    be done within the years membership.

    Any other non-training pool sessions are free as is the use of full club kit including drysuits at any time,. so all dives
    are then at cost price with no equipment fees, servicing cost or even cylinder testing.

    Seeing a course in isolation is only part of the story, in our case £410 gets you upto Sport Diver (Drysuit, Nitrox,
    Rescue, Deco), free pool and free use of full dive kit with a bunch of experienced mates :)
     
  9. Wibble

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    For comparison, what's the typical price for PADI Open Water (OW) and Advanced Open Water (AOW)?

    I've seen some places charging £400 for OW, many others heavily discounting this -- I suppose it's to get the punter hooked and flog them the myriad Speciality Courses, or kit, etc.
     
  10. Tel

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    I don't see the problem with paying a premium for doing a PADI course, sure we might be cheaper as a club,
    but then we won't be training in 4 days. more like 6 weeks.

    First i'd look at the way that you want to train rather than the agency as such, as entry level is all pretty much
    the same. In the main PADI = quick, BSAC slow, but unfortunatley in some clubs painfully slow.
     
  11. jb2cool

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    Tel, those are your club costs, how much are BSAC membership fees themselves?
     
  12. Wibble

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    Just to clarify; I think you *should* pay good money for good courses. I have an issue where people flog courses cheaply. How can they possibly pay for good instructors? I'm not talking about volunteer instructors a-la BSAC, I mean true professional instructors.

    For example on holiday where they're pulling in loads of punters for an OW course and using price as a differentiator. There's overheads and low prices isn't going to pay for these unless quality or time is reduced.
     
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    I just looked it up and BSAC membership fees are £57.50 for the year so in Tel's club this would still be under the £400 that seems typical for PADI OW.

    So yes, my info was wrong when I said PADI was the cheaper option.
     
  14. Tel

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    Those are club fees with BSAC student fees included, a non-student will pay on average about £50 more per annum,
    but get discounts if they have own kit, are not training etc.so often this extra doesnt apply and for some it's actually
    lower than the £150 with BSAC included.
     
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  15. Dale Martin

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    My PADI OW was just under £390 with drysuit, all course materials, full gear rental, entry/membership to Capernwray and fills. It's £50 less to do it without drysuit locally.
     
  16. Marie

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    We charge £499 for OW. No add ons. And to be honest it's hard to make money from this. We work with only one or two students on OW at any one time, so pool hire for a start. Then add on the theory and the certification. Two days entry into OW for instructor, DM, student. Air for all the sessions... it adds up and doesn't really pay. We could have bigger groups but then we're not offering the quality training. We do offer Speciality Courses but only the ones that support the diver's interests and needs e.g. Deep or Enriched Air.
     
  17. hawk

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    My club is £140 a year membership plus £60 for BSAC and includes all kit and free fills.

    No reason why you couldn't do OD and SD within that year (which would cost you another approx. £100) and your only other costs would be dive site related (plus any specialist kit you wanted to buy).

    That's essentially the equivalent of PADI OW + AOW + Nitrox + Drysuit that would cost you £1000? It would, of course, be much quicker than BSAC but without the benefit of the club structure.
     
  18. jb2cool

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    that could pay itself back for fills alone
     
  19. Doomanic

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    Presumably only if you dive air.
     
  20. hawk

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    Yep. I keep petitioning for He to be free as well but for the moment I'll make do with air and O2 :)
     
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