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Discussion in 'New to Scuba Diving' started by Graysyid, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. Graysyid

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    Hi

    Just started diving last June and kind of decided on my drysuit. Still torn over what Dive computer to get. I was set on and Eon Core, but got a advised that although overkill now a Shearwater might serve me better long term.

    any thoughts please?
     
  2. jb2cool

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    What kind of diving do you do now and what kind of diving do you want to do?

    I myself would look at a Suunto Zoop. Sure i's not the kind of computer that you might want in 5 years time but it's cheap and it does what it says on the tin.If you buy second hand now then if/when you come to upgrade you'll get back most of your initial outlay.
     
  3. Graysyid

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    Still training at the moment, drysuit and advanced are on the cards this year. tbh its hard to say what sort of diving i want until i see how i get on with the rest of my training. I'd like to push my boundaries in years to come. At the moment Farne and Silfra
     
  4. jb2cool

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    Then I'd definitely stick with a normal computer like a Suunto. Sure it's not the best computer in the world but it's easy to use and then when you need to move on you'll have more of an idea of what you want.

    Something like this;
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suunto-V...325968?hash=item4b38226750:g:WDAAAOSwrNJadv-Y
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUUNTO-G...053392?hash=item2399cab290:g:aNgAAOSw3q5agJU8
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suunto-G...275170?hash=item46768715e2:g:TrcAAOSwOFBagXvT
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suunto-Z...837008?hash=item41da822710:g:IJAAAOSwoFVaeuWd

    When you first passed your driving test did you go straight on with a BMW M3, Ferrari or a Land Rover (all good at what they specialise in) or did you but a little run around to get you going?
     
  5. splinter

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    jb2cool has it right. I used a gekko for years, still have it to pass on to my daughter when she does her OW. A zoop adds a few extra useful features, but I wouldn't spend £800 on an all singing technical dive computer at this stage.

    Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
     
  6. Dave Whitlow

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    For new I'd also look at the nitrox OSTC options but ....

    I do have a Suunto Vyper I keep meaning to put on ebay I could be persuaded to part with for a realistic offer.

    It has upload cable, new battery (plus a spare) and new screen protector (plus a spare) and is mounted in DeepSeaSupply mount, although original Suunto strap is included should anyone actually prefer it, and the user manual is included..
     
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  7. jb2cool

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    ^ That would be a good buy!
     
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  8. snowman

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    I switched from a Vyper to a OSTC Sport, because, frankly, I couldn't read my Vyper in poor UK vis.

    The OSTC Sport will do anything that most people will want to do (they have more advanced models, but 3 gas switching seems to cover most eventualities) and is beautifully clear in the murkiest of UK dives.

    However, if your reading eyesight is still good (or you wear prescription lenses when diving) a Vyper (or similar) is absolutely fine for anyone still heading towards AOW qualifications.

    If I could read my Vyper, I'd still use it, to be honest, as it has the features I need, although I'm very pleased with the OSTC Sport.

    M
     
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  9. Wibble

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    From personal experience... (which may well save you lots of money)

    Get the starter computer in the beginning - circa £150 Zoop. It's fine for everything you want to do until you know what sort of diving you want to do; does nitrox, etc.

    The shops / LDS / marketing chimps will work like hell to make all the shiny-shiny computers highly desirable. They're all pretty much doing the same things at the entry level.

    If you end up going down the technical route or want something that is shiny and a superb tool, look at the Shearwater Perdix or the OSTCs. The Suunto's are rubbish for technical / decompression diving as they use the wrong algorithm and have some really bone-headed settings. Sure, they work, but you won't be diving the same plan as other divers on the Shearwaters & OSTCs.

    BTW all the 'watch' computers suffer from being impossible to see underwater unless you point a torch at it. The backlights simply drain the batteries. I do have a Suunto d9TX which I only keep so I can moan about it. (It's actually used as my backup computer and I use it for logging)


    So save money and buy other dive kit instead.
     
  10. Wibble

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    Anyone looked at the Garmin Descent watch/gps/dive computer/smart thingie?

    Shiny, shiny. But at least it uses Bullmahn algorithms.

    Bugger all battery life though.
     
  11. Nick Ward

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    the Vyper is all the computer you're ever likely to need at a rec level really... I've been using a borrowed one for a while and can't fault it... really must get round to buying my own... :whistling:
     
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  12. Nick Ward

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    if you're already invested in the Garmin infrastructure then possibly worth it... I'm a big Garmin user, and from the geeky perspective of being able to have 100% 24/7 data metrics it would be tempting.. were it not so ridiculously expensive...

    I had one of the earlier fenix watches (that this is based on) and imo its too small a screen for your primary DC, and too expensive to use as as secondary... Even the latest Fenix model is crazy expensive for what it does really, and that's without the dive stuff added in...
     
  13. Wibble

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    There's this trend for 'smart watches' which do all sorts of things you never needed and still don't need. However, a general purpose watch thingie would be good as a timepiece plus odds and sods such as cycling logs, compass for sailing, etc. To be able to use it as a dive computer is a bonus, especially if it has a decent logging facility.

    I use Apple kit for my phones and have several Mac computers and have done for many years. I just think the Apple watch is complete bollocks, along with the iphone eggs. IMHO it looks awful and has the essence of massive twat about it, especially if it's got a poncy strap. But what's the point of something that needs charging daily and you can't wear it everywhere?
     
  14. Nick Ward

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    I use the 2nd gen apple watch - its kinda ok, it replaced my Garmin device as a freebie from work

    its the (almost) 24/7 capture I find useful - swimming, cycling, sleep and 24/7 hr... diving is the only activity I cant easily tie in and see all the metrics together... not worth the £999 price tag of the descent tho ;)
     
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    I bought a Zoop on eBay a while back that failed after 20 dives - no recourse for the second owner. Suunto had a problem with the depth gizmo for a while. I replaced the Zoop with a Zoop Novo that looks much the same, so far so good.
     
  16. Tel

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    Get a Zoop Novo, it will do everything you want for now

    Unlike it's predecessors the Gekko and Zoop, this has a Gauge mode, which means even in the
    future it can be used as a backup no matter what you are doing :)
     
  17. Wibble

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    There's a Geco for sale in the "for sale" threads! That'll work and is cheap!
     
  18. Griffalo

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    Unfortunately I bought the Fenix 5x about two months before they launched the descent. But to be honest at over a grand I don't think I would as I'd probably use it for holiday diving as I'd struggle to read it in UK waters.

    However I have a virb ultra 30 (Garmins equivalent of the GoPro) which can pickup various metrics from their watch. I'd love to know if it could pick up depth and gas info from the watch.
     
  19. Wibble

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    How do you find the Virb action camera? Which housing do you use (I think they're not shipped with a deep housing?)?
     
  20. Griffalo

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    They are shipped with both a cage and a waterproof case. The waterproof case has two doors, one has a small hole/valve to allow the barometric sensor to work which I guess makes it only splash proof and one which is fully waterproof to 40m. I use it a lot for cycling where I can overlay various sensors on the video and have bought a little bluetooth dongle for the cars ODB2 port which means I can overlay various data from the engine on the video.

    Its absolutely fine for diving, it has underwater settings such as red filters built in but the real reason you'd buy it over a GoPro or others is the sensor integration.
     
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